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this breaking news. here we go, top of the hour. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. let's talk about what's just happened in afghanistan. a heads up for all of you, we are about to see cia director mike pompeo in his first appearance since taking over this post. we'll take to him live as soon as he's behind the podium. it's happening as the pentagon drops the largest nonnuclear bomb it has in this area of afghanistan. this is the first time they have dropped this sort of bomb in any battlefield. it's called the mother of all bombs. this is the moab, the massive ordinance air blast bomb. this is white house press secretary sean spicer said about this bomb moments ago. >> we targeted a system of tunnels and caves that isis
fighters used to move around freely making it easier for them to target u.s. military advisers and afghan forces in the area. the united states takes the fight against isis very seriously. in order to defeat the group, we must deny them operational space, which we did. let's begin with the pentagon and ryan brown. why did they do this? >> officials are saying this was the right target at the right time. it's a 21,000-pound bomb. it's so large that it has to be dropped out of the back of a cargo airplane using a parachute. it's the largest conventional weapon used in combat by the u.s. this cave was targeted. isis has really established a presence in nangarhar province in the eastern part of afghanistan on the pakistan border and isis is considered a real threat. they've been responsible for
several major u sisuicide attacn kabul. a u.s. special forces member lost his life over the weekend. u.s. officials said they identified this cave complex as a real critical target but because of its size and how well-defended it was by isis, they felt this massive bomb was the right weapon. >> a bomb so big they used a cargo airplane and a parachute. ryan brown, thank you so much. let's talk a little bit more about the implications of this mega bomb. i have former counterterrorism analyst for the cia, buck sexton, retired air force lieutenant colonel rick francona and nic robertson. nic, let me begin with you in terms of why this target. we've covered the war on terror and isis and one often thinks of iraq or syria. you don't think afghanistan. you, sir, know this area of the country quite well. this is a couple of miles, i understand, from where you say
osama bin laden and al qaeda made their last stand in afghanistan. >> yes, this is the vicinity of where this bomb was dropped. it's hard until we know the precise location of the bomb but a few miles from where bin laden was hiding out. he had a set of cave complexes that were being targeted by bombs at the end of 2001. we spent a lot of time on the mountainside there. we went up to where the bombs were targeting these cave complexes, saw the damage. i think at the time, these were thousand pound bombs, perhaps the largest being dropped, smash being the mountain, ripping apart some of the cave complexes. but bombs that size, you could go in some of those caves and at the back of those cases, and cases of ammunition untouched because the explosion wasn't big
enough to injure any people on the ground nearby. this was used by the united states and others who supported the drive of soviets out of afghanistan before they took the nearby town of jalalabad. it's within easy threat of this location. strategically it's good for isis because they can move between pakistan and afghanistan over the mountains. it's been used historically. bin laden obviously there in the early to -- well, in the late 1990s, early 2000s, he made that place a refuge. it's been strategically good for isis in the past. i was talking this morning with
our pakistan producer who spent a lot of time in the tribal region, talking about how isis is growing in strength, what attracts people to isis' movement, the fracturing of the pakistani taliban has led some to join isis. it's really isis seen as being very strong. it its unity and pr is making it attractive at the moment. >> buck, we know isis has been in this region. he laid out how strategic and the tunnels. why now? >> it sends a message, i think, for this administration that there's a willingness to use every tool and do whatever is necessary to try and combat any of the jihadist forces that we're facing in afghanistan. the war has been going on for a long time. i was surprised how little attention it got when a little over a month ago you had the commander of u.s. forces testifying saying we may need more troops. they don't have enough to secure the country right now. the taliban is by some estimates
in its strongest position in terms of territory under its control since the u.s. invasion. things are not going well at all in afghanistan. the taliban is the main enemy. the fact that there's an isis franchise on top of that is incredibly concerning and the administration with the first major shot across the bow is showing that they are going to tackle this problem as well. >>ed aing to thaadding to that, have a report that the trump administration was undergoing a full strategy review of the policy moving forward. colonel to you, on buck's point about the message this sends, i had gordon chang sitting here a minute ago saying it sends a message to north korea. maybe it sends a message to syria given what is happening there in the last week. what do you think? >> i think it sends a message to everybody that, you know, this is a new administration, a new set of rules and a new set of reactions when presented with
crisis. this makes perfect sense to use this weapon in this environment. this was what this weapon was designed for, collapsing tunnels and destroying targets that are in caves. so i have no doubt that this was in the works for some time. they've been wanting to use this weapon for a while but could never get approval. the timing couldn't be better. >> why? >> as gordon said, we see what is happening in korea and syria. this is not lost on everybody watching the united states right now. >> how will we, nick, have any sort of assessment of the damage done and any sort of response? >> well, daybreak will come over in five or six hours from now. and certainly everyone will be talking about it in that local area. the initial reports are coming in from the villages but they are unsubstantiated so far. i don't think it will be too long before we hear from people in that area. what i remember at those high
altitudes and we don't know the precise location but where these cave complexes are, there aren't any villages. but you will find the odd shepherd up there with his goats or sheep or whatever. and then the nearby villages for sure will pay an interest in what's gone on. it's surprising how many people, local villages you actually find when you get out in the mountains, you don't see much but then you standstill and they come out of the trees and out of the valleys. >> turning the page from afghanistan, colonel, let me bring this into the conversation. 18 allied forces in syria were killed in a coalition air strike in syria yesterday. and so you have innocent lives being lost there in syria. how do you see the bigger picture of this and why there isn't more to be done on
innocent lives being lost. >> this was a group of kurdish forces allied with us. the cord nainances were passed this is what happens when you're relying on local personnel to provide you targeting information. the best way to do this, of course, is to get american air controls and we're starting to do that. that's what central command wants to do and push the advisers down to lower levels so they can prevent incidents just like this. this is -- it just goes badly and it really undermines the confidence that our allies have on us when this happens. this is part of the ongoing effort to take raqqa. they are surrounding it. this happened on the east side of raqqa. there's a lot of fighting going on in the west. they are opening up phase 4. and then they will squeeze the city. so it's a glitch in the ongoing
process. unfortunately, brooke, these things happen and we have to move on. >> do you agree, buck, these things happen? if this was another country and all of these lives were lost of innocence, there is something to be paid. >> there's a balancing act between the risk and the longer we wait to take raqqa, atrocities, murder, kidnappings, those things continue on. speed does matter but with that, as was just discussed, you're going to have incidents like this unfortunate. i think there would be assists to make sure there are far fewer misstrikes but i think this administration is doing that on a number of fronts, most notably in syria. >> buck, nic, rick, thank you.
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welcome back. i'm brooke baldwin. bashar al assad, the man accused of launching the chemical attack on his own people called the accusations against him 100% fab b bri indicat fabrication and claimed he couldn't do it morally. there was restrictions on this interview with the president. the afp didn't get to shoot the interview. it was the syrian regime who had
the camera and only gave the afp a portion of the interview. >> it's not clear whether it happened or not because how can you verify video? we don't know whether those dead children were the dead at all? >> let me bring in the british soldier, director of doctors under fire and adviser to an organization investigating this chemical weapons attack. welcome, sir. >> hi. good afternoon. >> so you say there's no question that there is sarin gas that was used in this attack on the innocent civilians and that they were dropped from assad's bombs. how are you so sure? >> well, i think, first of all, president assad doesn't know what his generals are doing
because there have been chemical attacks since 2012 and the sarin attacks in 2012 and 2013 were exactly the same as what we've seen today, the same sort of modus operandi. i helped set up a secret task force in syria and trained doctors to deal with chemical attacks and in this case more importantly to collect evidence. we know a lot of that evidence has come out of syria. the turkish health ministry a few days ago confirmed that there were samples tested positive for sarin and the british prime minister -- and tested positive for sarin. >> okay. i've spoken on the ground to people treating the casualties and they have reported that sarin is being used. >> can you just explain for all of us the difference between sarin and, say, chlorine, which is apparently used in aleppo,
december of last year? i know they are both horrible but the suffering, can you describe it? >> yeah. absolutely. first of all, chlorine is a very widely available chemical. you can buy chlorine gas anywhere and it was the first chemical weapon but on toxicity terms, if chlorine was, say, one, sarin would be 4,000. >> wow. >> it's 4,000 times toxic. it's a nerve agent. it attacks the nerves and kills people. and the pictures, assad saying are those children really dead? they are already dead. i spoke to the people who dealt with them. over 80 people killed. the majority children whose nerves have been destroyed by this nerve agent and they are absolutely dead and it's the samples from those people that have come out of syria and
eventually more details ahead but there's no difference at all. and the people on the ground talked about aircraft and yesterday the department of defense has intelligence communications intelligence for those aircraft and has the intelligence of those aircraft being tracked. so, in my mind, there's no doubt and for assad to say they've never had chemical weapons, they have never used them. >> he said it's a 100% fabrication. >> entirely. the u.n. removed 1300 tons of assad's chemical weapons in september and october 2013. he's forgotten that. >> he's forgotten that. and apparently everything else, according to all kinds of generals and folks and intel that he's done and continues to do. please continue your work and safe travels to you. thank you, sir.
>> pleasure. right now, the cia director, mike pompeo, making rare public remarks amid all of this. we'll dip in soon. more ahead, the united states has dropped this moab bomb also known as the mother of all bombs on these isis tunnels in afghanistan. why hasn't this bomb ever been used? it was apparently made during the iraq war. why has it never been used until this point? we're following all of the breaking details. you're watching cnn.
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against a nuclear proliferation and continues to be today. we helped unravel the nuclear smuggling network assisting in a nuclear facility in syria and gathered intelligence with the help of partners that persuaded libya to abandon its nuclear program. we've also been on the cutting-edge of technological innovation throughout our country. the cia led efforts and orbiting satellites that allowed us to surveil areas that were closed to us. we've pushed the boundaries that benefited the security and welfare of the american public. more recently in 2003, it led to the development of what we know today as google earth. my first few months on the job have only reaffirmed for me that this innovative spirit and can do attitude are much alive and well. so now i'd like to talk about what the cia does not do. we're a foreign intelligence agency. we focus on collecting
information about foreign governments, foreign terrorist organizations and the like, not americans. a number of specific rules keep us centered and protect the privacy of our fellow americans. cia is prohibited from spying on people through tapping in the united states. now, i know there will always be skeptics and we need to build trust with them. and the cia takes the legal restrictions and responsibilities with the utmost seriousness. we have stringent regulations and engage in an independent office of inspector general to make sure of that. moreover, regardless of what you see on the silver screen, we do not pursue covert action on a whim and without the approval or accountability. there's a comprehensive process that starts with the president
and consists with legal and policy review. when it comes to covert action, there's oversight and accountability every step of the way. and i inherited an agency that has a deep respect for the rule of law and the constitution. it's embedded in the very fiber of the people that work at the cia. and despite fictional depictions meant to sell books or box office tickets, we are not a rogue agency. while we've had truly awesome capabilities, our officers do not operate against targets that are rightfully and legally off limits. at our core, we have an organization committed to uncovering the truth and getting it right. we devote ourselves to protecting our trade. we work hard to remain truly global coverage. we spend hours upon hours pouring over data and reports. we also admit when we make a mistake. in fact, because the cia is accountable to a free and open society, we help defend and live up to high standards of our
fellow citizens have been cataloged well over the years. even by our own government these mistakes are public. they are public to an extent that i doubt any other nation could ever match but it's always our intention and duty to get it right. and that's one of the reasons we have said with wikileaks to be both perplexing and deeply troubling. because while we do our best to quietly collect information on those who pose a very real threat to our country, individuals such as julian assange and edward snowden seek to use that information to make a name for themselves. as long as they make a splash, they care nothing about the lives they put at risk or the damage they cause to national security. wikileaks walks like a hostile intelligence service and talks like a hostile intelligence service. it has encouraged followers to find jobs at the cia in order to obtain intelligence. it directed chelsea manning in her theft of specific secret
information and overwhelmingly focuses on the united states while seeking support from any democratic countries and organizations. it's time to call out wikileaks for what it really is. a nonstate hostile intelligence service often abedded by state actors like russia. in january of this year, russian military intelligence released data of victims that they obtained through cyberoperations against the democratic national committee. the report also found that russia's primary propaganda outlet, rt, has collaborated with wikileaks. now, for those of you who read the editorial page "the washington post," and i have a feeling many of you do, yesterday you would have seen a piece penned by mr. assange. you would have read a convoluted words where he compares himself to thomas jefferson and dwight eisenhower and legitimate news
organizations as "the new york times" and "washington post." assange claims to have an admiration for both america and the idea of america. but i assure you, this man knows nothing of america and our ideals. he knows nothing of our third president who is in the pursuit of happiness and continues to inspire us in the world and knows nothing of our 34th president, a hero from my very own kansas who helped liberate europe from fascists and guided america through the early years of the cold war. i'm quite confident that had assange been around in the '30s and '40s and '50s, he would have been on the wrong side of history. yes, dictators try unsuccessfully with the liberty and language of liberty and privacy but in reality they champion nothing but their own celebrity. their currency a clipping, their
moral compass nonexistent. they do not care about the causes of the people they claim to represent. if they did, they would focus instead on autocratic regimes and instead choose to explore the legitimate secrets of democratic governments which has so far proven to be a much safer approach than provoking a tyrant. clearly, these individuals are not burdened by conscience. assange has been cavalier in disclosing the personal information of scores of innocent victims around the world. we know this because the damage they have done to the security and safety of the free world is tangible. the examples are numerous. once snowden went to russia, he affected a wide range of intelligence and military operations. despite what he claims, he was no whistle blower.
true whistleblowers use discrete processes in place to voice grievances. they do not put american lives at risk. in fact, a colleague of ours at the national security agency recently explained that more than 1,000 foreign targets, people, groups and organizations, more than a thousand tried to change how they communicated. >> we're going to keep an eye on this, mike pompeo, the cia director speaking in washington. we'll take a quick break and get back to our breaking news on this mother of all bombs dropped in this one particular province in afghanistan. we'll talk to the afghan ambassador to the united states. next. you do all this research
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minister has warned that north korea could send missiles carrying sarin gas japan's way. moments ago, president trump was asked about this situation in north korea as he was meeting with some emergency responders for an event at the white house and here's what he said. >> i don't know if this sends a message. it doesn't make any difference if it does or not. north korea is a problem. the problem will be taken care of. i will say this, i think china has really been working very hard. i have really gotten to like and respect, as you know, president xi. he's a terrific person. spent a lot of time together in florida. and he's a very special man. so we'll see how it goes. i think he's going to try very hard. thank you. >> with me now, renowned expert on north korea, han park. he's advised the u.s. state department multiple times as
well as former president jimmy carter. through his work, he's visited north korea about 50 times and has helped prevent the breakdown of diplomatic talks between the united states and north korea over its nuclear weapons. great to see you. if we may come out of the president's comments when asked about north korea and then asked if the bomb in afghanistan was sending a message to north korea, he said maybe, maybe no. how do you see it? >> north korean nuclear issue is not a chinese problem. it is an american problem. we should not seek chinese cooperation or rely on china too much because china doesn't want north korea to collapse. it's very nice for china to have a communist state there. so we should see the reality very clearly. how do we deal with north korea?
no one knows for sure because no one knows that much about north korea. now, one thing is very clear. north korea has a destructive weaponry, including nuclear arsenals. now, should another korean war break out, then the victim will be basically south korea. south korea is so vulnerable to north korea attack, there's no way that south koreans can avoid being killed in mass numbers. >> mr. park, if i may jump in, i was talking to gordon chang in the last hour. if i can go back to my original question about afghanistan, he believes absolutely, ahead of this birthday in north korea this weekend of the grandfather that this was absolutely the -- the timing was spot-on with this bomb, that it was a message to
pyongyang. do you see it that way? >> you know, north korea is very tempted to display some celebrity activities on the occasion of the grandfather's, kim jong-un's grandfather, kim jong-il's 105th birthday on the 15th of april. but it's highly unlikely that he will have a nuclear bomb test or anything internationally that is provocative because north korea needs to survive. they know that very well. but if they have to get involved in military confrontation with the united states and south korea combined, then south korea will have casualties because in north korea, people will hide in bomb shelters. >> okay.
>> so because of this, we should be trying to stop -- >> i apologize for the connection and the back and forth, mr. park. i appreciate your time. we've got to go to the breaking news out of afghanistan and this bomb known as the mother of all bombs, 21,000 or so pounds, so massive it was released out of the back of a cargo plane and down a parachute into this remote stretch of afghanistan targeting isis tunnels there. more on what we know and reaction from the afghan ambassador to the united states when we come back.
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the . we are so proud of our military and it was another successful event. >> did you authorize -- >> everybody knows exactly what happened. what i do is i authorize my military. we have the greatest military in the world and they've done a job, as usual. so we have given them total authorization, and that's what they're doing. and, frankly, that's why they've been so successful lately. if you look at what's happened
over the last eight weeks and compare that to really what's happened over the last eight years, you'll see there's a tremendous difference. tremendous difference. so we have incredible leaders in the military and we have incredible military, and we are very proud of them. this was another very, very successful mission. >> did you authorize it, sir? that was the question from one of the reporters there at the white house that was tossed to the president with regard to this moab bomb, moab is an angel cabrera row numb for massive ordnance bomb. it was dropped by the u.s. military into the nagahar province in afghanistan, specifically targeting isis tunnel. let's me bring in my friend kara lee, one of the journalists to be with the president in the oval office for the 70-minute wide ranging interview for the paper. carol, let's get to that question from that pool spray as
far as whether the president authorized that bomb. do we know the commission? >> he is saying this was something authorized generally in terms of what the military understands. they have the authorization from him to do. it is just not clear. sean spicer, the white house press secretary, was asked the same question and he referred those sorts of questions to the pentagon and he was, again, asked if the president personally signed off on this. he didn't say, so it is just not clear and it is not clear whether this is something that would require -- when the president would have learned that this happened, whether he was updated throughout, like how it all unfolded. they haven't really said yet, and the president didn't really make it clear in his response because he said, everyone knows what happened, i authorized my military. we don't know exactly what that means. >> okay. there's that. there was also the question today, you were in the briefing with sean spicer there at the white house where, you know, he was asked about reversals or sort of the whiplash from the
white house specifically on how they stand on, you know, the relationship with russia, how they stand on the relationship with syria and assad, on, you know, the healthcare vote. i think you asked about janet yellen. all of this was supposed to sean spicer. here is his response. >> if you look at what's happened, it is those entities or individuals in some cases or issues evolving towards the president's position. nato in particular, he talked about the need of countries to pay their fair share, to live up to their commitments of 2% of gdp. he talked about the need for nato to focus more on terrorism. nato has done just that. the entity itself is moving towards the issues evolving, towards the position that he articulated, and that can't be more true in the case of nato where he laid out two very clear positions that he had an issue with nato. and as far back as september of last year, started to recognize that institution was moving much more towards his position. >> what did you think of the
response from sean spicer, a? b, you know, you were in the room with the president as he was changing his tune on a number of these issues you were talking to him about. tell me about that. >> reporter: yeah, the response was interesting. he was essentially trying to say people evolve for the president, the president didn't necessarily evolve. the problem with the examples he gave on nato is that, you know, those things that he cited were already happening. so it wasn't necessarily that president trump forced them to focus on terrorism, they were doing that. they already agreed for the countries to submit 2% gdp on military. there's that basket where they're trying to say that some of these reversals are because of these other reasons, people evolved towards them or issues evolved towards them, and then there's the other one where the president in our interview yesterday was very candid about where he had reversed course. he talked about china, although it is another one that's mixed. you know, he said china in terms of being a currency manipulator, they're no longer manipulating
their currency. he said they stopped doing that once he got elected. well, it happened many months before that, it it started happening. but also he said, made clear even if they were manipulating their currency, now is not the time for him to label china a currency manipulator because he needs their help on north korea which is a much more serious issue. that's one. when he talked about janet yellen, he said he met her, likes her and respect her, and he left open that possibility of renominating her as fed chairwoman and a number of other things. >> carol, stay with me on that point. let me bring in barbara rest, a rm toer engineer for president trump's prior construction project and helping build the. she actually became one of the first women to build a sky straper. this is her first on-camera interview since her former boss was inaugurated. welcome back. >> thank you. >> how many years were you with trump? >> on and off for about 17. >> 17 years? >> yeah. >> when we talk about a man who, you know, does with carol's
example, has changed his mind, did he do that as a boss? >> he did, absolutely. i mean, you know, way back he used to really listen to us and take advice. you know, he may have an idea and we said that's not a good idea, and most of the time he did change his mind and go along with what the advisers were telling him. i think that happened a little bit less as he got bigger and bigger and more famous, but i can think of one very, very important instance. >> sure. >> we were going to build the biggest -- the tallest building in the world, trump city it was called, and 14 million square feet of mostly housing. there was tremendous opposition to it, and we were stuck at the environmental protection department for a long time, almost four years, and it was just not going to happen. and he was approached by some people that represented the opposition and they said, look, meet with us, work with us or forget about your project. yeah, he said, okay. he sat down with them and they
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ambassador to the united states. mr. ambassador, welcome. >> thank you. >> how did you learn about this bomb and your reaction? >> well, there had been an operation in afghanistan in this area for over six weeks, and the last week it intensified, but our security forces along with the u.s. special forces couldn't make any further progress because dash had mined the area with ieds quite heavily, and that resulted in dropping the bomb that would clear the tunnel complex and prevent them from being freely able to move. >> can you tell me about this tunnel complex? this is the nangahar province of afghanistan. talking to one of our correspondence, said it was a little down the road from where bin laden had been "once upon a
time." >> it is not far from where it was the achin district, this area where the bomb was dropped. there have been four tunnels, a complex that was used for -- to go undetected, to move freely undetected. having destroyed the tunnel complex and the terrorists that were inside, in there, would now make -- force them to move on surface that would be detectable. >> i understand that we have reports of the u.s. is -- the trump administration, undergoing this full strategy review of afghanistan plans and policy moving forward. what can you tell me just about conversations you have had with, you know, u.s. officials and how closely you are working with them moving forward to defeat isis? >> absolutely. it's both afghanistan and the united states's top priority to eliminate isis from afghanistan
or what we call daesh this year, and hence this intensified operation against all of their bases. the review is still ongoing. there hasn't been a decision made yet, but from our conversations so far it is moving along quite fast. and when it is completed, i guess we'll -- we'll be able to talk about it more then. but we are coordinating quite closely on making sure that we have a winning strategy in afghanistan. >> quickly, 20 seconds, mr. ambassador, and we will learn more about that i'm sure. 20 seconds. how do you think, this is early morning in this part of the world. how will this bomb be received in afghanistan? >> well, early reaction so far is that the area has been cleared. it is late at night in afghanistan now, and our forces
have moved in to assess the impact. we'll know by the morning how -- how it has all gone. >> okay. mr. ambassador, thank you so much for your time. i really appreciate your voice in this breaking news. thank you. thank you all for being with me. i'm brook brooke baldwin he i'm brooke baldwin here in new york. the lead with jake tapper starts now. >> thanks, brooke. it is the biggest bomb the u.s. military has without being, you know, the big one. "the lead" starts right now. breaking news, the u.s. military drops the largest non- nuclear bomb that it possesses. the pentagon nicknamed it the mother of all bombs. whom were they trying to annihilate? primed and ready. reports that north korea is ready for another nuclear test as president trump says the u.s. is ready to step in. we're live inside the most mysterious country in the world. plus, fresh wounds. the attorney for t